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November 6
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Do any of you rember that battle?  We flew in. Tried to dig in.  Got hit with over a thousand rounds of motor and rocket.  Killed over a thousand of those fellows in two or three days.  It stunk up there in our wire.  Come on.  Is there anyone there that remembers that?

Tom Copeland
Reply with quote  #2 

Got a date and unit for that battle?

Sgt Rock
Reply with quote  #3 

"First Infantry Division in Vietnam" lists two An Loc battles:

 

An Loc I; 23-25 May, '69; 2nd/2nd Inf.

 

An Loc II; 5-6 June, '69

 

Ron Betts; C co., 2nd/18th Inf.; 11/66-11/67 RVN 

Marshall
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 Wasn't AnLoc  I or II, I was there then,had to be before Feb 69 and after June An Loc (Thunder 4) was turned over to 11th ACR in late Jun 69.

Marshall

HHC 2/2 Inf Recon 02/69-03/70

Luther Patton
Reply with quote  #5 

An Loc I 178 enemy were killed in Binh Long Province, May 23 to May25th. Several days of bitter fighting, centered in the An loc and Quan Loi areas.

 

An Loc II 460 enemy were killed. The battle was from June 5th -9th.

Luther Patton Nam 67-68 Black Scarf's  1/2

Luther Patton
Reply with quote  #6 

I forgot the Year  was 1969 Battle Of An Loc I and II!

Sorry About that!

I hope this answers the question at hand!

Luther Patton
Reply with quote  #7 

Now we know this to be accurate for three have answered three times with the correct imput on The Battle Of An Loc I and II.

 Hope this frefreshes your memory November 6!

LJP

Marshall
Reply with quote  #8 

Yes to May 23-25, 69 and Jun 5-9, 69.. I was looking at numbers close to 200 was of the NVA & VC were KIA  during May battle,not sure on the total for Jun.

Thunder 4 itself wasn't attacked until sometime in either late Jul or Aug and again in Sept,69.But when was Thunder 4 actually built at AnLoc? and was there a Thunder 10?

Marshall

2/2 69-70

NOLI ME TANGERE

See you in AZ.

Not Impressed
Reply with quote  #9 

If I remember right November 6 you came to Alpha Company 1/2 in either Sept. or Oct of 67! 

 

 Any chance you could tell us how Jeff Peck part of your weapons squad was killed and what the hell he was doing in the field with less than 20 days to go in country?

 

Also could you let us know why over 1/3 of your platoon left to go to recon  in the months after your arrival and Tet?

 

Not IMPRESSED

The Saint
Reply with quote  #10 

"Not Impressed", when the 1/2 and the 2/2 left for Vn in Sept 65, there were soldiers with less than 6 month left in the Army, and they went to the field when they have 10 days left in country. My (R.T.O.) has 11 days left when he pick up 3 PH's in less than 38 Hrs. Then he went home.

 

May he rest in peace. He Past away in 1982.

 

Take care and be careful out there.

 

The Saint.

 

  

Daring 40
Reply with quote  #11 

"Not Impressed" - In 1968 I depated the field with 5 days left in country and I felt very lucky.  I spent two days in Lai Khe, one day in Dian, and was on the last plane to leave Vietnam before the start of the 1968 TET Offensive on the evening of my 2nd day in Long Binh.

I know guys who left the field with only a day or two to clear Battalion & Division before getting on the plane to go home.

Sergio Lugo
Reply with quote  #12 
Reply 1
At DiAn one week, the next at An Loc fighting in An Loc I or II!!! What an introduction.

At DiAn, my orders were changed as I was about to depart from being assigned to a straight leg unit to the 2/2.  Didn't know dip about mechanized infantry, but that's where I went.  As the saying goes - there but for the grace of god!!! The Lt. with whom I substituted units was KIA in the next two months, or so I was informed by a member of his unit (there were 4 Lts. killed during that time, got all 4 of their names, but can't remamber his). 

So-o-o, it's off to Quang Loi by transport, and then to Thunder 4 by truck.  Remember the airfield and ride; got there about 5pm.  Introduced to Charlie 6 (Cpt. Tom Kelly) that night, and told I'd be going to 3rd platoon (whose Charlie 36 was Sgt. Box).  I remember the evening dusk as I looked towards at the jungle and Cambodia 9 miles away; also remember the Catholic Mass service - sure were a lot of men in attendance.  Saw a college friend that I hadn't seen in 2 years, a Lt. Paul Cormier who was either the company or battalion signal office.  And it was then off to la-la land in a bunker.    Next morning or the day after we were again in action.  To be continued since there's apparently a space limit to these messages.   


Sergio Lugo
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Reply 2 continuation:

I was either in An Loc I or arrived in the interlude before An An Loc II.  My introduction to mechanized infantry came the next day or so, as we engaged in battle maneuvers and test firing of weapons.  C6 (Cpt. Tom Kelly) and C5 (can't remember the sgt. majors name) didn't screw around; they kept that unit in shape - battle practice, formation drills; movement in column; herringbone stops; movement on line;  pivoting on line  left, right etc..  

The company was known as "Kelly's Killers" and for its actions during An Loc I and II it received the Presidential Unit Citation (as I recall it was the only 2/2 unit to receive that citation; which is not shown (by the way) on your awards board).

Those were the exercises in which I missed the road turnoff to the gunnery practice.  Hell, it was my first day ever on a trac - and I was supposed to know the distances covered at 35 mph to the turnoffs;  no could do on that first day!!!  And the lanes all looked the same in the rubber!!  That was also the run in whcih I witnesed one of the great ironies in life - a Montagnard crouche on the road with his semi naked wife, just watching a bunch of crazy Americans flying by in their tracs.  What kind of third world country was I in.

  
Sergio Lugo
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Reply 3:

So just about now, the An Loc battle breaks out  (I think it was An Loc II, and not I).  I'm not sure what other units were involved besides C 2/2, but I do recall that Sgt. Bondsteel was a KIA with A 2/2.  Two men from Charlie Company who were scheduled to return to stateside with only two days to go were also KIA during the battles.  It was then that C6  or the battalion CO instituted the policy that men with les than a month to go before going home were to be to the rear area of the battalion.

Anyway, it was several days of fighting in the rubber and the jungle.  We managed to catch either one or 2 NVA regiments (their numbers are in the Presidential Unit Citation) on the move southward, and it was their misfortune to encounter us.  I seem to recall the number of around 1100 being the kill count during the two battles, and that was no ginned up number.  After the fighting one day, I asked C6 if we weren't going to bury the bodies.  His response were words to the effect"Listen jerkoff, we're sending out ambus patrols to get some more gooks as they try to retrieve the bodies for burial."

Seldom, did we catch the NVA in the open,  Rather they fought from bunkers which were real hard to see in the underlying brush in the rubber or in the jungle.  Usually, we could take them out really easily with our 50 cal.,m or 105 mm recoiless rifles (not authorized by the TOE incidentally), or grenades, or satchel charges, or our LAW rockets.  And of course, the last alternative was to crush them with our tracs.  One guy on my trac was known as "animal"; he just loved to go into those bunkers with his 45 cal. handgun to get souvenirs.  More power to you, and go for it animal!!!
  
Sergio Lugo
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4th Reply: This is getting old, as I've had to rewrite this message twice today. 

The continuation of the An Loc battle discussion is in the next reply.  I'm attaching a picture of me at the Niu Bau Din site 2 months later.  Taken on July 11, 1969, the mountain's western slope can be seen in the background.  The next day, A & C companies took 13 KIA and 39 WIA on the mountain's slope while detached to the 9th Inf. Div.


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Sergio Lugo
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5th and final reply:

The fog of war gets blurred over time, but some things stand in sharp detail.  About 10 yearas ago I was asked to draw the topography of Niu Bau Denand its little sister;  when a topo map was blown up for the mountains, my topo map fit almost exactly - some of the thins you don't forget!!

So, at An Loc some of the things were forgotten, and others stay in vivid imagery.  I don't remember the mortar attacks that were referenced by he who posed the question, but I can firmly remember easing into the line of battle as we engaged the NVA that day.  To my left was C6's unit and to my right was either the mortar platoon of elements of A or B Company.  The battalion line streteched for a quarter of a mile through the rubber,with anything getting in our way being blasted away - even one hit from a 50 cal. dismembered the rubber trees.  Ahead was nothing but tracer rounds chewing up the rubber planation and any bunkers we encountered.  It was so loud that in my battle position standing on the ammo cans in the top open hatch of the trac, I'd be yelling at the top of my voice to C36 Delta (the drive) to stay in echelon with the Company on the left, and (also at the top of my lungs)O to Charlie 36 Golf (gunner) to direct the fire of the 50 cal.  Behind  the trac were the ground poiunders of the platoon, cleaning up anything we'd encountered, but hugging closely the rear of the trac.  An impassable creek or raving forced Charlie Company to take the lead crossing the road in the rubber and, as my trac and went 5o yards, I turned around (I think it was this battle anyway) to see an A or B Company trac hit a road mind, the driver rocketed through the air (and presumeably killed), and the trac a blazing inferno. 

After the engagement, C 16 (Lt. Hughes) came up to congratulate me on the job I'd done.  It was another story from Charle 6 and Charlie 5, who tore me a new asshole, when he said:  "Listen asshole, in battle you don't lead your platton from the trac, but you get on the ground with the groundpounders to direct the,  Charlie 35 (Sgt. Pena had replaced Sgt. Box who'd gone home the day before) is to direct the platoon from on top of the PC.  And the reason for that is, if I get killed or injured in leading the company at the point, the next senior officer is to assume command at the point.  And that was my introduction to mechanized infantry!!!!  
Larry Grzywinski
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Sergio,

Concerning your statement about your unit being put in for a Presidential Unit Citation, being recommended for and receiving that award are two different things.  It was not the first time 2/2 was recommended for a P U C, they also were for the first battle of Ap Bau Bang.  These things get down graded, up graded and etc.  When it all comes out in the end, according to the U S Army Center of Military History the 2/2 received the following:

Valorous Unit Citation for Ap Bau Bang (1965)
Valorous Unit Citation for Binh Duong Province (Ap Nha Mat 1965)
Valorous Unit Citation for Binh Long Province (1969)

C Company 2/2 entitled to:
Valorous Unit Citation for Binh Long Province (1968)

The only P U C I have found so far is for actions in Iraq:

Presidential Unit Citation for Fallujah (2005)

I have also found but have not confirmed the following:

C Company 1/2 entitled to:
Valorous Unit Citation for An Loc (1970)

Perhaps someone out there can help out on this one.

Basically what this all means is that until the award is officially presented to the unit it is not official.  Also remember we are talking unit awards here and not other decorations and campaign streamers.  Hope this helps answer your question.

Larry G
HHC 2/2 66-67

  

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Larry Grzywinski
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Addition to previous e-mail,

Sgt James Bondsteel was not a KIA in Vietnam, he received a Medal of Honor for his actions.  The only MOH awarded to anyone from either 1/2 or 2/2 in Nam.

He was killed in a vehicle accident in April, 1987 in Wasilla Alaska. He is buried in the National Cemetery at Fort Richardon Alaska.  He was working for the Department of Veterans Affairs in Anchorage Alaska at the time of his death.


Larry G
HHC 2/2 66-67
Sergio Lugo
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Hello Larry:  Thanks for two corrections regarding the Presidential Unit Citation and Bondsteel's death. 

The award was the Valorous Unit Citation (not the Presidential Unit Citation).  As to Sgt. Bondsteel, I remembered hearing that the award had been made - and naturally assumed it was posthumously. 

Thank you,

Sergio
The Saint
Reply with quote  #20 
Larry, you got it right on those Units Citations.
 
I have the program from the 2/2 activation in Ft Hood-I will bring a copy for you.
 
Take care
The Saint.
 
Bco 2/2 1964 to 67.
Vietnam 1965 t0 1970.
Larry G
Reply with quote  #21 
Thanks Juan, I will add it to my ever growing binder of information on the regiment.

Larry G
HHC 2/2 66-67


The Saint
Reply with quote  #22 
Larry, talking about those unit citations I got about 3 of them, because the other units I was with in Nam earned them while I was with them, I got extra roaches on them....
 
Also I got one for service in Korea. the Republic of Korea defense medal while I was with the 2nd Inf Div, 2nd Infantry Bde at Camp Hovey.
 
See you in St LO.
 
robert axelrod
Reply with quote  #23 
in hhc 2/2 68 69. would like to contact anyone who served with me
Terry Sage
Reply with quote  #24 
Robert, I don't remember your name but I'm sure we crossed paths at Anloc. I was in HHC recon platoon from November 68 to February 69 than was TC on battalion commanders track until August 69. Thunder 4 was a place of many memories both good and bad.

 If your gonna be one be a big red one!!

                                             Terry Sage
ronziegler
Reply with quote  #25 
Robert Axelrod...   I remember you but can't recall your track number,You were with me in HHC Recon platoon...  If I recall right you shared with me that you lived in New York city in a high rise prior to army life and I was amazed because I was and still am a country boy at heart...   I arrived in country Feb 1968 and left Feb 1969...   I was on the 62 with Ken Pruitt TC and I was MG and we had a big Texan Phillip Rodriquez as a platoon Sgt when I was first in country...  I ended up as 29er62 TC when I left...   Keith Hawkins Iowa(aardvark)  Gene Harris Nebraska and Fred Bruselues of California, whom I have had contact with...   I have searched for others with no luck...  I find my mind has conveniently forgotten alot of the BS we shared over there...I have made two of the 2/2 reunions in Pigeon Forge, TN and have met many a great folks there but no one I knew in country...Give me an email and we may share old times and see what we can recall...ronZ...
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