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Have any of you non Combat MOS Vietnam Veterans such as VTR Crews, Tanker (Armor), clerks, cooks, mechanics etc looked into being eligble for the Combat Action Badge that was established for those servicemen who participated in the Gulfs Wars.....I think and believe that you should also be awarded for your actions during your tour and service in Vietnam..I know that the VTR Crews, cooks, Combat Egineers/engineers and mechanics that were in the field and the Thunders on Highway 13 "Thunder Road" and especially those VTR Crews who accompanied the Infantry Companies on S&D......those clerks, cooks, mechanics and other support troops back in the rear and in the field, especially those back in Lai Khe "Rocket City" who pulled bunker/perimeter guard duty during the day and night.....Don't miss out on what you deserve and earned even though it have been many years since your service to your country in the Vietnam War..Duty, Honor and Country. NOLI ME TANGERE
Curtis Parker Daring Bravo Bandit (2/2nd Inf), 3rd Platoon, Track B231 9 Dec 1967-10 Dec 1968
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I totally understand where you are coming from, and another piece of colored cloth is always nice. However, let me draw an example, with a different award, the Purple Heart. My great great grandfather was wounded in the foot at Antietam and was mustered out due to the wound. Later, he re enlisted with the 35th Mass, and while 1SGT of Company B, took a minet ball in the head at The Crater and was KIA. Should he receive the Purple Heart, which wasn't instituted until years later (which would mean ALL WIA and KIA in the Civil War should also)? Personally, I would be happier if the people of this nation recognized that we did the right thing just by being there, doing our job. If they want to give me the Combat Action Badge, fine. I won't throw it over the White House fence.
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And yes, I was the Bravo Charlie Charlie (Bravo Company Clerk), and I pulled Dau Tieng berm guard every other night, staring out at the Michelin, 300 meters distant.
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BCC I understand your rational......Being fair across the board was my motive towards all veterans who served our country (What's good for the goose is good for the gander)......I would give the Purple Heart to your Uncle for shedding blood for our country..his blood was/is just as good as those who just only drove through a ambush during a convoy on a tank trail in Iraq.............get my point.....I am totally against the inflation of military awards..but I also believe in equal justice for service that is rendered...I salute your Uncle and may he honorably RIP.
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Here is one criteria for the award that may put the Kabash on this discussion:
"Retroactive awards for the CAB are not authorized prior to 18 September 2001, applications (to include supporting documentation) for retroactive awards of the CAB will be forwarded through the first two star general in the chain of command to CG, U.S. Army Human Resources Command, ATTN: AHRC-PDO-PA, Alexandria, VA 22332-0471." https://www.army.mil/symbols/CombatBadges/action.html
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Thanks John for your input......case/subject closed.....Noli Me Tangere......Have a very nice informative Ramrod Day.
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They also need to start working to award the Cold War Medal to those that served during that period. The certificate don't mean nothing.
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Hi Juan, So glad that you brought up the Cold War Medal. As all of our Medals that were awarded to us come with a Certificate. There is a cold War Medal and Certificate that goes with the medal itself. I have both. I order the Cold War medal from the catalog Medals of America. Year's ago. It is nicely done anyone would be proud to wear or display. I know that Congress would have be the one to pass an order so the medal could be awarded to us during that time period for which it stands for during the Cold War, September 1945 to December 26, 1991. The Certificate that I have is singed by Donald Rumsfield. The Cold War Medal that I ordered is a Commemorative. So I would go to believe that Congress would have to issue a new one I would assume? I would hope that Congress would take this matter up. L. Patton Black Scarf Battalion 1/2 Nam 67' June 68'
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Hi Curtis, really appreciate your comments. As you know I was on the crew of VTR 95 in 68 and on many of the missions with Bravo Co. We took our part very serious doing our job with a wrench and a forty five strapped to our side. It was an honor to serve beside the best of the best as I saw many brave, beyond the call, Infantry soldiers do battle with our enemy. Regardless of recognition or award my pleasure was serving our great country with you soldiers and would do it again in a heart beat.
VTR 95 67/68
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We all know what we did in the service. If we're satisfied with ourselves that's all that matter. Lots of guys were never acknowledged for the things they did, and some were acknowledged for thing they never did. A combat patch on the shoulder says a hell of a lot. I got my CIB, but know a lot of fellows like Roger with the mechanics, engineers, some commo and supply guys spend a lot of a lot of time right there with the infantry. Badges, ribbons or not, those guys have my utmost respect and appreciation. (For what that's worth.) As for the Cold War Medal? Isn't the National Defense Medal enough?
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Hi John,I will all so agree that the engineer's, mechanics, and those that were in supply have my most utmost respect. Without them nothing would be accomplished in war or peace. I agree, The National Defense Medal is enough. Like I have mentioned before. I do have in my possession the Cold War Medal and Certificate. The Medal is still in the box that it came in. I will not display it or wear it, the certificate as well. Patton Black Scarf Battalion 1/2 Nam June 67' June 68'
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To my knowledge the NDSM was not issued for the cold war also no medal was ever approved just the certificate
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Hey Dave haven’t heard and seem you in quite a while how are you doing? Well I hope, we are good on this end. You are correct about the Cold War Recognition, it is a certificate only no medal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War_Recognition_Certificate There is supposed to be such a thing as a Cold War Victory Medal, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War_Victory_Medal The medal that Luther Patton mentioned is a commemorative medal that Medals of America offers just like the 30 or so other commemorative medals they are selling, nice but not government issue. Larry G
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Larry G, Is right on. The Medal that I have, is a commemorative medal and it solely states that on the back of the medal. Of course I don't wear the medal with the other's that I have earned. It would take an Act Of Congress to approve a Cold War Medal, to be presented to those who served during The Cold War. On another note: The one Medal that Congress should of taken in to consideration. Would be a medal awarded to those of us, that was in The Tet offensive. But that is my own opinion; what say you? Patton Black Scarf Battalion 1/2 Nam June 67' June 68'
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The Tet Offensive was one of the 17 named campaign of the Viet Nam War, and you are entitled to wear a campaign star on your service ribbon to designate it. Assuming you were in more than one named campaign. The ribbon itself counts as one. For example, if you served during 5 campaigns, you wear the ribbon plus 4 stars.
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BCC, Thanks, I have three stars. Patton
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Curtis, while I can understand your motives when you say, "What's good for the goose is good for the gander," that would bring into question the fact that all the combat (CIB) infantrymen in WWII, also received the Bronze Star.
Would you thing it justified that all Korean and Vietnam combat (CIB) infantrymen be back awarded the Bronze Star?
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The answer to Steve’s question about the Bronze Star being back awarded to CIB recipients is NO. There were specific reasons why the Bronze Star was awarded to World War II CIB recipients. I recommend that one reads the explanation in the following link; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Infantryman_Badge Also the Bronze Star was not automatically awarded, the CIB recipients had to actually apply for and prove they received a CIB to get the medal, that’s if one was actually aware of the award.
Phillip A. Lester
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Steve Curtis, while I can understand your motives when you say, "What's good for the goose is good for the gander," that would bring into question the fact that all the combat (CIB) infantrymen in WWII, also received the Bronze Star. Would you thing it justified that all Korean and Vietnam combat (CIB) infantrymen be back awarded the Bronze Star?
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Being awarded a CIB does not also indicate bravery or meritorious service. If you are 11B and are taken under fire by the enemy, then you are entitled to a CIB. A Bronze Star Medal is awarded for:
" The Bronze Star Medal, unofficially the Bronze Star, is a United States decoration awarded to members of the United States Armed Forces for either heroic achievement, heroic service, meritorious achievement, or meritorious service in a combat zone ." (wikipedia)
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In basic an assistant DI when asked what that rifle on his chest meant, he answered, "That means when someone shot at me I had the good sense to shoot back." Pretty much covers it for me. That and we lived in sh*t most if not all, of the time.