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John, Sometimes it may be better to just let things go. If a rant helped Willie feel better, then great. Everyone's entitled once in a while. No need to find out who or why. No need for mistakes made 45 years ago, real or perceived, to be aired or rehashed here. It's been said a few times we all know guys who got medals they didn't deserve and we all know lots of guys who never got the recognition they earned. But in the end, we all know what we did and that's really all that should matter. Much better we just remember the good times from back then and take note now of things like BCC helping Ken Tucker and Richard Fetterhoff meet up again and seemingly correct something had been bothering Ken for years. Stuff like that make this site worth something; makes the site more then just old guys telling war stories. It's better to put a brother at ease then inadvertently stir anything up. At least in my humble opinion. Take care John Kerins
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John: This site is really something, I don`t know much about computers and can`t spell worth a flip, I hope you will excuse my short comings. I check this site every day now and I will owe BCC forever. I think about you guys a lot.
!PLT Aco 2/2 68/69
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Larry G -
I was just looking around the site again and decided to do a search. I first posted back in 2009, right before you posted your roll call. My dad was John Reid, and it seems like he served with you! I think I had my information wrong - I thought he was a Sergeant, but I guess he was a Spc-4. Unfortunately, my dad died in 2001. He ended up serving 20 years in the Army altogether. He was a police officer in NJ for a long time, too. I have at least one picture of him that I can post as soon as my wife lets me use her scanner. Can you tell me any memories you have of my dad from that time? What was he like? How was he viewed? What did he do? Any insight would be appreciated! Thanks! John Jr.
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John, I wish I could say that I knew your father but that is not the case. The REID that I knew was DAVID REID from Pennsylvania. When I posted the names I did not remember his first name but he came to the BRO reunion in Dearborn and it all came back. David Reid and I were in HHC, 2 nd Battalion, I checked our master roster and the only John Reid we have was with Company C, 1 st Battalion in 1966-1967. You need to see if someone from the 1 st Battalion, Company C knew your father. Larry G
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Hi John, What Company was your dad in and the regiment? Hang in there someone who knew your Dad will post. Or someone that has already posted may have served with your Dad! Good Luck! May He Rest In Peace! God Bless! Luther Patton Black Scarf Battalion 1/2 Delta Company Recon. 29er Platoon Nam June 67 June 68
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My dad is Bill Weinberger....have a ton of pics of him and the crew from 68/69...will work on posting this week. Will put names on all the ones that he has labeled. He is alive and well in Houston Texas....
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Bill Sly SP4 Eddie Dean 9/68-69 SSG Philip Deering 7/68-69 SP4 Doc Dehaven 10/68-69 SP4 Bob Douglas 12/68-69 SP4 Raymond Encarnacion 12/68-69 Sp4 Joe Enos 10/68-69 SP4 Jay Erickson 5/68-69 1LT Hugh Evans 7/68-69 SP4 Ron Fichter 4/68-69 SP4 Doc Foxen 10/68-69 SGT Tim Frake 12/68-69 SP4 Chris Freese 10/68-69 SGT Eddie Gann 7/68-69 SP4 Dick Garcia 3/68-69 SP4 Len Gloden 12/68-69 SP4 Gary Griggs 7/68-69 SP4 Gene Grille 12/68-69 SSG Tom Haak 7/68-69 SP4 Clyde Hale 10/68-69 SGT Bob Hall 10/68-69 SGT Elgin Boliva Hamilton 9/68-69 PFC James Harker 10/68-69 PFC Michael Hawks 12/68-69 SP4 Earl Herbert 9/68-69 SP4 Stephen Hesson 10/68-69 SP4 Gene Hollis 8/68-69 1LT James Housley 5/24/69 SP4 AL Howard 12/68-69 SP4 Roger (Ramjet) Hulsey 12/68-69 SGT Ron Jackson 5/68-69 SFC Vernon Johnson 8/68-69 SP4 Kary Kiminski 11/68-69 SP4 Doc Keleher 9/68-69 SP4 Bob Kidwell 12/68-69 SP4 Robert Kirmo 8/68-69 PVT Dennis Klein 10/68-69 SP4 Spike Kolness 10/68-69 PVT John Kuntz 8/68-69 SP4 Sammy La Bastida 11/68-69 SP4 Neil Land 12/68-69 SGT Bill Leslie 6/68-69 SP5 J Livoni 7/68-69 1LT Richard Maling 12/68-69 SP4 Jerry Martin 8/68-69 SP4 Ronald MC Afee 3/68-69 SP4 Danny Mc Coy 1/69 SP4 Vince Mendez-Garcia 8/68-69 SP5 Mike Mirenda 8/68/69 SP4 Van Morrison 1/69-70 1LT Micheal Mulhern 6/68-69 SSG Terry Murry 5/24/69 SP4 Joe Perez Gonzales 11/68-69 SP4 Don Paxton 7/68-69 SGT Tom Pedigo 11/68-69 SP4 Henry Roberts 8/68-69 SP4 Ron Rohden 10/68-69 PFC Rosie Rosemond 1/69-5/69 SP4 Butch Schuft 10/68-4/69 SSG Ray Seccombe 9/68-69 1LT David Smith FO 10/30/68 SP4 Lee Stember 12/68-69 SFC Charles Stewart 12/68-69 SP4 Clyde Talkington 12/68-69 1st SGT Jimmy Thomas 1/69-70 1LT Ken Tucker 11/29/68 SP4 Herman Umholtz 5/68-69 SGT Ken Van Eaton 8/68-69 SGT Joe Viglione 7/68-69 SSG Joe Visaya 7/68-69 SP4 Pat Wadsworth 10/68-69 SGT Bill Weinberger 8/68-69 SGT Jim Wright 9/68-69 SGT Joe Zodda 7/68-69 That's my list of A 2/2 that served during the time you were there
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hi everyone. i'm hoping that someone can help me. my father, steve elzinga, passed away from lung cancer last friday and i really don't know much about the time he served. he never talked about it to me. what i do know is that he was there in 69-70 as a sp4 with company a, 2d battalion (mechanized), 2d infantry 1st infantry division. he did receive the army commendation medal 30 june to 30 sept and the bronze star 1 oct 69 to 25 jan 70 but i'm not sure how or why he did.
i don't have the set up to scan the pictures i do have from then, but
is a link for a thread he posted every year on memorial day and veterns day on his favorite fourm. for anyone that might have known him, he has loved the game of pool since he was a teenager and he was a well loved and respected member in the pool community.
i thank you for any information that might be known. once i do get the pics scanned, i'll post the pics of the ones he has names on them. maybe there might be someone else there you know.
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i did forget to mention, the video link on the thread that he posted is something that he worked on with some friends of his. all the pictures are my dads.
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First, let me express my condolences on losing your dad.
I was in B Company during that time, and did not know your dad, but there are a couple who visit here who served in A company during that time and may have some answers for you. Spike Kolness, and less frequently, Bill Pavone.
As to the decorations, they appear to have been awarded over a "period of time" vs for a single action, which to me, means they were awarded for "Meritorious Achievement" or for "Meritorious Service" The Bronze Star is a step higher than the Army Commendation Medal. Generally, the ARCOM goes to those who performed above the average, and the Bronze star for outstanding performance. (My terms)
If you have the green vinyl folder that originally came with the medal(s) the award certificate will be there, and likely, the narrative for the award.
I hope this helps.
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thank you BCC
i do have the green vinyl folders with the certificate in them, but not the medals. as of 2 weeks ago, they still haven't been found and i'm not sure if he still had them or not. he went to the va on 2/22, came home on 3/20 so we only had a couple of weekends to go thru his things before he moved in with me, but he couldn't remember if he still had them or not. do you know if it's possible to get another set of them? i have no idea where to begin to find out.
i went thru all of his pics last night and there about 20 guys that he did name on the back of them. i also have some that are unknown. as i mention before, i will have them scanned and uploaded to here or the photos section. it's just a matter of when i can get this done.
again, BCC i thank you for your help. hopefully spike kolness and bill pavone or someone else will remember him and possibly tell me what he was like back then. my parents divorced when i was 2 and i really didn't get to know him until i was 18 and he never talked much about his life before i ran into him by accident one day 23 yrs ago.
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It is LIKELY that you can get replacements on the missing medals. For expediancy, since you are familiar with the local VA, call there and ask for the Patient Advocate. They should be able to guide you in the right direction. If they can't (or won't) talk to your County's Veteran's Service Officer. Most have done a few of these replacement requests.
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The easiest and fastest way to obtain replacement medals is to buy them online at Medals America. The medals will cost between twenty and thirty dollars each but the turn around time will be a few days instead of several months.
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Hi Jennifer, My most sincere Condolences on the passing of your Dad! May He Rest In Peace! Check your back door mail and I will send you the Orders for The Vietnamese Cross Of Gallantry with Oak Leaf! It was awarded to all of the First Infantry Divison by The Vietnamesse Govt. John posted that you can buy medals from Medals of America, just go on line and order one of their catologs. The Medal that I just mentioned is around 14 or 15.00 dollars but a very nice Medal and your dad was awarded it as well as me and all of the other Veterans of The Big Red One! I thought that I had them posted on one of the other posted messages that i posted on here. I will check and let you know. If not like I had mentioned earlier check your back door mail. If anyone needs a copy of the order's let me know and I will e-mail them to you. The Second of The Second is included as well. Luther Patton Black Scarf Battalion 1/2 Delta Company, November Platoon, RTO Recon. 29er Platoon RTO, Point Man Nam June 67' June 68'
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Luther, The award of the Cross of Gallantry with palm that you are talking about is a unit award, not an individual award. It was awarded by the South Vietnam government. It is a ribbon with a metal wreath around it. NOT a full sized medal.
CPT W.K. Benson, USA-Ret
DMOR- 2nd US Infantry
Co B, 2/ 2 Inf.
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The same goes for the Republic of Vietnam Civil Action Honor Medal/Ribbon which the units of the 1st Infantry Division were awarded. Also the Vietnam Campaign Medal and ribbon was from the Republic of Vietnam and was not issued by the U S Army. At least it wasn't when I left the Army and is so stated on my DA-20. The Vietnam Service Medal was issued by the U S Army.
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I too used to think the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry was only given as a unit citation, but then in the 90's I saw a fellow wearing it as an individual award. He said that everyone who served in Vietnam was given the award retroactively. I found this article that seems to bear out what he said. You guys can read it over and then please, in plain language, explain it to me???????????
http://www.tf116.org/pdf/VietnamCrossOfGallantry.pdf PS: Back in the day, and I think still today, any ribbon worn lower than the National Defense Ribbon (90 days of service), was issued by a foreign government. That ribbon and any senior to it were issued by the US.
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John, I can understand your confusion, after reading the article as I understand it you are authorized to wear a twig on your T-shirt while having a hot fudge sundae, before 1974 hours, but not while in France, unless you were in the Navy and your ribbon is larger than the medal. I can't explain it any simpler, hope that helps. Steve
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The way I understand it, it was originally awarded as either a unit award or where merited an individual award. We of the 1 st Infantry Division were awarded it as a unit award. It then seems to say that in 1974 it was changed to an individual award retroactive to all those awarded as unit awards. But then again I could be wrong considering the way it is written. Either way it is worn with the gold frame around it. Actually U S service ribbons such as the U S Vietnam Service ribbon come after the National Defense ribbon, then foreign awards. At least that is the way Medals of America lists and displays them.
Taylor (Ted) Stowell
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Went over w/HHC,2/2 on USNS Blatchford, 9-25-65. Had a very good friend who was a SP5, with me, in the Bn. 4.2" Mortar Platoon, in the FDC. When I was re-assigned as an E5 Forward Observer with B-Co, I lost track of him and never saw him again, I DEROS'd in Aug 66. His name was Richard Patterson and I remember he had a wife who he met and married while in Korea (where I first met him).
Anyone knowing his whereabouts, please contact me at above E-mail address or my cell-phone number ie. 215-806-6005.......Thanks.
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The Vietnam Cross of Gallantry was awarded to the 1st Division as an Unit Citation. The Cross of Gallantry with a Palm Leaf was awarded to all US Forces who served in VN between 1 March 1961 and 28 March 1973 (DOA GO #8 March, 1974). Some folks were also awarded individual Cross of Gallantry awards for valor (I received the Vietnam Cross of Gallantry with a Silver Star for action during the battle of Prek Klok II). Hope this helps!
PS. If any soldier thinks they have not received all their medals/citations, they can request a "DD 215" from the Army.
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Still looking for Richard Rousseau, Jim Baker, Steve Gerstner, Bill Hunter, Kelly Horne, Jim Barnes, Bill Hansen and Bill Dunn. They served in 1967 and were all in A Co. 2nd/2nd, Mike Platoon. Am also interested in locating Stretch Reineke and Dave Wallace.
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Wild Bill, Yes, The Viet Nam Cross of Gallantry with Oak Leaf is a unit award! John Venn is right on as well! I think that all units who served in Viet Nam and was in The Tet Offensive should of been awarded a medal of some sort for the sacrifice that was made in defeating the commies during the Tet Offensive. LP Black Scarf Battalion 1/2 Nam June 67' June 68'
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1st TIME TO TRY TO POST I WAS WITH THE 2/2 MARCH 66 MARCH 67. AIDMAN FOR 1st PLATOON THEN TOOK OVER SENIOR AIDMAN BCO 2/2 AFTER I MADE SP5 . SP ENGLISH TOOK MY PLACE WITH CHARLIE COMPANY WHEN I WENT TO B CO ( I THINK). SORRY BUT LOTS OF MY MEMORY ABOUT THIS IS GONE. WHEN HERSHEAL WARD WAS KILLED AND JAMES ANDREWS WAS WOUNDED ON THE 4th JUNE 66. FROM THAT TIME ON LOTS HAS LEFT ME. I READ WHERE PEOPLE WERE HAVING TROUBLE WITH DATES THAT IS EASY TO REMEMBER. CPT CARTER WAS WITH US FOR A WHILE. WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO SOME OF THE GUY THAT WERE THERE THIN THANKS AND GOD BLESS
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Hoyt, Welcome to the 2nd Infantry regiment message board. I hope that you make a connection or 2 with some of the guys you served with. The Captain Carter you mentioned, would that be the battalion chaplain? Also did you happen to know an E-6 medic by the name of ZOMBRO? If so do you recall his first name? Larry G HHC ,2/2 66-67
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Welcome!!! Did you happen to know a medic with A Co. named McCormic? He was our medic and a great guy. He was there at the end of '66 and '67. John Venn A Co. 2nd/2nd Mike platoon Dec 66-Dec 67